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		<title>By: ABC's Hungry Beast Program Misrepresents the Catholic Church &#124; General Blog</title>
		<link>http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/crimen-sollicitationis/comment-page-1/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>ABC's Hungry Beast Program Misrepresents the Catholic Church &#124; General Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] piece misrepresents the 2001 letter from Ratzinger and of course, the 1962 and 1917 documents known as Crimen sollicitationis, enough that it brought everything else into disrepute.  It feels great to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] piece misrepresents the 2001 letter from Ratzinger and of course, the 1962 and 1917 documents known as Crimen sollicitationis, enough that it brought everything else into disrepute.  It feels great to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hitchens on Papal Fallibility &#124; General Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Hitchens on Papal Fallibility &#124; General Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the 2001 Ratzinger document at all.  He instead quotes from a document often referred to as Crimen sollicitationis that was written by Alfredo Ottaviani in 1962.  Obviously, quoting from a different document by a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the 2001 Ratzinger document at all.  He instead quotes from a document often referred to as Crimen sollicitationis that was written by Alfredo Ottaviani in 1962.  Obviously, quoting from a different document by a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dermot Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermot Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you people are drugged by the intoxification of your self indulgent verbal gymnastics
Secretly legislating while denying me, a victim,of the right to know the law reveals Ratsingers abandonment of righteousness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you people are drugged by the intoxification of your self indulgent verbal gymnastics<br />
Secretly legislating while denying me, a victim,of the right to know the law reveals Ratsingers abandonment of righteousness</p>
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		<title>By: Generic Description</title>
		<link>http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/crimen-sollicitationis/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Generic Description</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSHrmtr11A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
YouTube Video: The Crime of Sollicitation&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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YouTube Video: The Crime of Sollicitation</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tysen</title>
		<link>http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/crimen-sollicitationis/comment-page-1/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Tysen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People all over the world study Latin; scholars abound. It is hardly difficult to “obtain an accurate translation.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I agree that many people study Latin.  But that does not automatically give them competence to interpret a legal-canonical document in a manner consistent with the interpretative norms of Roman Catholic canon law.  That would be like saying that an English professor is also an expert on US constitutional law by virtue of the fact that the US constitution is written in English.

Also, it&#039;s not just me that is claiming that the document at issue is difficult to interpret.  People like Thomas Doyle are claiming that as well.

&lt;i&gt;Mr. Woodlock, a question: have you written and considered and researched as extensively the horrific pain suffered by children and their families at the hands of abusing priests, the policy of denial and suppression from the highest levels of this organization which continued that abuse?&lt;/i&gt;

I have no doubt that many individuals have suffered at the hands of abusive priests.  It is something that is not being disputed so why would I discuss in detail something that everyone agrees upon?  I don&#039;t think you will find anything that I&#039;ve written that denies that the abuse suffered by the victims is terrible.  The question I am addressing is that of the nature of &lt;i&gt;Crimen sollicitationis&lt;/i&gt; because the nature of &lt;i&gt;Crimen sollicitationis&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; something that is in dispute.  A person can both believe that some individuals within the Catholic Church behaved in a criminal manner &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; that the &lt;i&gt;Crimen sollicitationis&lt;/i&gt; conspiracy theory is flawed.  There is no dichotomy that requires that a person believe either that every negative claim made against the Church is true or that the Church has done nothing wrong at all.

&lt;i&gt;Is the horrific pain and extreme injustice these people suffered and continue to suffer as important to you as the technical issues you raise above about crimen sollicitationis?&lt;/i&gt;

The fact is that some people are making a whole lot of claims about &lt;i&gt;Crimen sollicitationis&lt;/i&gt;, and I believe that the evidence does not support their claims.  The &quot;technical issues,&quot; as you call them, go to the heart of their claims.  If the Church is as bad as they think it is, why the need to go to all these absurd lengths to paint it as blacker than it really is?

The fact is that some people have ulterior motives when discussing the issue of abuse within the Church.  I&#039;m simply pointing out that fact.  Please don&#039;t assume that just because I&#039;m claiming that the &lt;i&gt;Crimen sollicitiationis&lt;/i&gt; conspiracy theory is wrong that I am therefore also saying that abuse did not occur or that it is in some way excusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People all over the world study Latin; scholars abound. It is hardly difficult to “obtain an accurate translation.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I agree that many people study Latin.  But that does not automatically give them competence to interpret a legal-canonical document in a manner consistent with the interpretative norms of Roman Catholic canon law.  That would be like saying that an English professor is also an expert on US constitutional law by virtue of the fact that the US constitution is written in English.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not just me that is claiming that the document at issue is difficult to interpret.  People like Thomas Doyle are claiming that as well.</p>
<p><i>Mr. Woodlock, a question: have you written and considered and researched as extensively the horrific pain suffered by children and their families at the hands of abusing priests, the policy of denial and suppression from the highest levels of this organization which continued that abuse?</i></p>
<p>I have no doubt that many individuals have suffered at the hands of abusive priests.  It is something that is not being disputed so why would I discuss in detail something that everyone agrees upon?  I don&#8217;t think you will find anything that I&#8217;ve written that denies that the abuse suffered by the victims is terrible.  The question I am addressing is that of the nature of <i>Crimen sollicitationis</i> because the nature of <i>Crimen sollicitationis</i> <i>is</i> something that is in dispute.  A person can both believe that some individuals within the Catholic Church behaved in a criminal manner <i>and</i> that the <i>Crimen sollicitationis</i> conspiracy theory is flawed.  There is no dichotomy that requires that a person believe either that every negative claim made against the Church is true or that the Church has done nothing wrong at all.</p>
<p><i>Is the horrific pain and extreme injustice these people suffered and continue to suffer as important to you as the technical issues you raise above about crimen sollicitationis?</i></p>
<p>The fact is that some people are making a whole lot of claims about <i>Crimen sollicitationis</i>, and I believe that the evidence does not support their claims.  The &#8220;technical issues,&#8221; as you call them, go to the heart of their claims.  If the Church is as bad as they think it is, why the need to go to all these absurd lengths to paint it as blacker than it really is?</p>
<p>The fact is that some people have ulterior motives when discussing the issue of abuse within the Church.  I&#8217;m simply pointing out that fact.  Please don&#8217;t assume that just because I&#8217;m claiming that the <i>Crimen sollicitiationis</i> conspiracy theory is wrong that I am therefore also saying that abuse did not occur or that it is in some way excusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan L Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/crimen-sollicitationis/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan L Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People all over the world study Latin; scholars abound.  It is hardly difficult to &quot;obtain an accurate translation.&quot;  Mr. Woodlock, a question: have you written and considered and researched as extensively the horrific pain suffered by children and their families at the hands of abusing priests, the policy of denial and suppression from the highest levels of this organization which continued that abuse? Is the horrific pain and extreme injustice these people suffered and continue to suffer as important to you as the technical issues you raise above about crimen sollicitationis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People all over the world study Latin; scholars abound.  It is hardly difficult to &#8220;obtain an accurate translation.&#8221;  Mr. Woodlock, a question: have you written and considered and researched as extensively the horrific pain suffered by children and their families at the hands of abusing priests, the policy of denial and suppression from the highest levels of this organization which continued that abuse? Is the horrific pain and extreme injustice these people suffered and continue to suffer as important to you as the technical issues you raise above about crimen sollicitationis?</p>
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		<title>By: Tysen</title>
		<link>http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/crimen-sollicitationis/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Tysen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment John.

It&#039;s not what I&#039;m saying, it&#039;s what people like Tom Doyle are saying.  Why would a church critic who loathes the conservative hierarchy, testifies &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; the Church in law suits and who leaked the document in the first place suddenly be lying to protect them?  In order to maintain the idea that &lt;i&gt;Crimen&lt;/i&gt; is some kind of blueprint to cover-up child abuse you need to buy into a warped view of human behaviour where people like Doyle publicly lie to &lt;i&gt;protect&lt;/i&gt; their ideological foes.  How can that make sense of reality?

And I&#039;m not a Catholic, so I don&#039;t know what you mean by &quot;I respect how you guys have faith.&quot;

Occam&#039;s Razor favours the least complex conclusion that explains &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; relevant data.  For me, that means concluding that &lt;i&gt;Crimen sollicitationis&lt;/i&gt; is not a conspiracy to obstruct justice and cover-up the sexual abuse of minors.  If I were to conclude that it was such a thing, I&#039;d have to explain why even the Church&#039;s most fiercest (expert) critics are defending it on this point.  Check out my post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/reverend-thomas-patrick-doyle/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thomas Doyle&lt;/a&gt; and you will see why it&#039;s difficult to imagine him defending the Church if the &lt;i&gt;Crimen&lt;/i&gt; conspiracy theory were in reality true.  Also look at the views of atheists like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia13.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Skeptimedia&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://ozatheist.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/crimen-sollicitationis/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oz Atheist&lt;/a&gt;.  What possible reason could they have for denying &lt;i&gt;Crimen&lt;/i&gt; is a deliberate cover-up if in fact it were when they&#039;re so critical of Roman Catholicism in other areas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment John.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m saying, it&#8217;s what people like Tom Doyle are saying.  Why would a church critic who loathes the conservative hierarchy, testifies <i>against</i> the Church in law suits and who leaked the document in the first place suddenly be lying to protect them?  In order to maintain the idea that <i>Crimen</i> is some kind of blueprint to cover-up child abuse you need to buy into a warped view of human behaviour where people like Doyle publicly lie to <i>protect</i> their ideological foes.  How can that make sense of reality?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not a Catholic, so I don&#8217;t know what you mean by &#8220;I respect how you guys have faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s Razor favours the least complex conclusion that explains <i>all</i> relevant data.  For me, that means concluding that <i>Crimen sollicitationis</i> is not a conspiracy to obstruct justice and cover-up the sexual abuse of minors.  If I were to conclude that it was such a thing, I&#8217;d have to explain why even the Church&#8217;s most fiercest (expert) critics are defending it on this point.  Check out my post on <a href="http://tjwoodlock.com/blog/reverend-thomas-patrick-doyle/" rel="nofollow">Thomas Doyle</a> and you will see why it&#8217;s difficult to imagine him defending the Church if the <i>Crimen</i> conspiracy theory were in reality true.  Also look at the views of atheists like <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia13.html" rel="nofollow">Skeptimedia</a> and <a href="http://ozatheist.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/crimen-sollicitationis/" rel="nofollow">Oz Atheist</a>.  What possible reason could they have for denying <i>Crimen</i> is a deliberate cover-up if in fact it were when they&#8217;re so critical of Roman Catholicism in other areas?</p>
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		<title>By: John Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the whole thing is just a mistake then is what you are saying. Crimins doesn&#039;t say the word secrecy incessantly, nor make the threat of excomunication should secrecy be broken- right?

And the document doesn&#039;t fit with what has historically occured regarding the coverup of priests raping children.

It is just some strange coincidence that non church people have misinterpreted a secret document that deals with child rape beastiality etc, and they are completely wrong.

Hmmm- a bid sad really. I mean I respect how you guys have faith, but the denial! sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the whole thing is just a mistake then is what you are saying. Crimins doesn&#8217;t say the word secrecy incessantly, nor make the threat of excomunication should secrecy be broken- right?</p>
<p>And the document doesn&#8217;t fit with what has historically occured regarding the coverup of priests raping children.</p>
<p>It is just some strange coincidence that non church people have misinterpreted a secret document that deals with child rape beastiality etc, and they are completely wrong.</p>
<p>Hmmm- a bid sad really. I mean I respect how you guys have faith, but the denial! sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: The Pope's Visit to Australia &#124; General Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pope's Visit to Australia &#124; General Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 06:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the Crimen sollicitationis conspiracy theory. There are elements of the media that are truly dumb and when you&#8217;re biased [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How Does the Google Ranking System Work? &#124; General Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Does the Google Ranking System Work? &#124; General Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] published a post the other day titled Crimen sollicitationis and quite soon after (I can&#8217;t remember exactly, but I&#8217;m pretty sure it was within a [...]</description>
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