Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries
Moriel Ministries is a fundamentalist Christian ministry headed by Jacob Prasch. I first heard of the ministry when a friend of mine gave me some of Prasch’s works in an attempt to convert me to fundamentalist Protestantism. The ministry targets historically and scientifically illiterate Christians who lack the intelligence to critically assess its claims.
A quick look through the website shows a number of articles on a range of subjects. It would require considerable effort to go through them all, so instead I’ll use a recent posting to illustrate the standards of the ministry.
Under the title “Papal Visit to USA” a number of claims are made by a ministry author, presumably Jacob Prasch. I’ll address them paragraph by paragraph.
“The US Department of Justice squashed a prosecution brought against Pope Benedict XVI because it is not normally legally possible to bring a prosecution or criminally related litigation against a foreign head of state (a status the Pope enjoys ever since Ronald Reagan granted full diplomatic recognition to the Vatican as a nation).”
The author is probably referring to the 2005 decision of a US District Court judge to remove the Pope as a defendant in a lawsuit. The author refers to it as a “prosecution”. The term “prosecution” only applies to criminal matters. This was not a criminal matter so whoever wrote this article was either ignorant of basic terminology or dishonest. And it was the judge that removed the Pope as a defendant, the US Department of Justice did not “squash” anything.
“The prosecution was bought on behalf of victims of pedophilia perpetrated against small children by members of The Roman Catholic clergy. In his former position as Vatican enforcer , Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now the pope) signed the notorious ‘Criminale Solicitacciones’ instruction first issued by Pope John XXIII and re-issued by John Paul II. This documentation proves that no fewer than three popes knew of both widespread pedophilia and sex with animals by members of its clergy at least as as early as 1960, and allowed it to continue, instructing the Roman Catholic hierarchy to protect sex criminal nuns and priests at the expense of not protecting the little children whose lives these criminal sex perverts destroy by the thousands.”
Again, the lawsuit was a civil one – it was not a “prosecution.” Crimen sollicitationis was an instruction issued in 1962 under Pope John XXIII. Crimen sollicitationis remained in force until 2001, when Cardinal Ratzinger produced an “implementing letter” that brought new procedures into place. So rather than “re-issue” Crimin sollicitationis, as the author claims, Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope John Paul II did the exact opposite and eliminated its effect.
Crimen sollicitationis enumerated a number of possible abuses that could potentially occur in the confessional but there is no evidence that such abuses were common, contrary to the authors assertion that three Popes “knew” of “widespread pedophilia and sex with animals.”
The author then asserts that Crimen sollicitationis “instruct(ed) the Roman Catholic hierarchy to protect sex criminal nuns and priests.” This is absurd. Firstly, Crimen sollicitationis primarily applied to abuses of the confessional and thus would not apply to nuns. Secondly, it did not “protect” priests from anything. As shown in a previous post, not even Thomas Doyle, the priest and Church critic that made Crimen sollicitationis public, believes it is a conspiracy to cover up abuse. No expert believes that.
“Copies of this official Vatican document signed by Ratzinger and English translations from the Latin are in the public domain and freely available on the internet.”
The documents that the author is probably referring to are an alleged Latin copy of Crimen sollicitationis and an English translation produced by Thomas Doyle. Neither are signed by Ratzinger.
“Instead of receiving a presidential reception upon arrival on American soil, Pope Benedict XVI should have been handcuffed, arrested, arraigned, criminally indicted, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If it is indeed his signature on that wicked document, Ratzinger should be convicted on the basis of prima face evidence and this evil criminal should die in federal prison with absolutely no chance of parole.”
I think this final paragraph amply illustrates what the author and this ministry are about: hatred. On the basis of an absurd and error-filled conspiracy theory that even the Church’s most vocal critics reject he wants to throw a man behind bars for the rest of his life. What other extreme actions can be justified on similarly weak evidence?
The kind of material produced by this ministry is morally no different from the kind of bigotry spewed from anti-Semitic and racist websites all over the Internet. When you allow hatred to dominate your thinking, you will accept any silly argument that helps sustain your hate-lust. The unfortunate thing is that most of this ministry’s followers lack the intelligence to separate truth from lies and are likely to believe this trash.
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[...] antidote to the stupidity displayed by Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries is an article on the Lex Communis blog. It talks of the hypocrisy of those using the Clergy Abuse [...]
“Tysen” on the General Blog/TJWoodlock blogsite appears to be both out of hisdepths and factually in error regarding hisresponse to Jacob Prasch:
1. A visit to National Center For Policy Analysis website (www.ncpc.org) or Baylor’s legal website (www.baylor.aceglobal.com) will reveal that Jacob Prasch referring to the squashed litigation against Joseph Ratzinger (cum Pope Benidict xvi) as a prosecution stopped by the US Dept. of Justice was correct in its terminology and details.
In Texas a civil litigation brought privately in connection with a criminal prosecution is legally referred to as a special category of ‘Prosecution’ called “civil prosecution” (Tex. Hum. Res. Code 36.001 et.sig).
The criminal case is the Juan Carlos Patino-Arango public prosecution of this indicted pedophile priest who is a fugative from justice. The 2005 civil action brought by Daniel Shea in conjunction with it against the present pope is thus legally defined as a civil prosecution. Jacob Prasch is perfectly correct in his terminology, and you are wrong.
2. Jacob Prasch’s report that this civil prosecution was squashed by The Justice Department is confirmed as true and was reported in multiple national publications and news mediums including USA TODAY and CBS News (references easily available on internet). The motion to squash the civil action against the pope was indeed brought by The US Justice Department at the request of The State Department for the exact reasons Jacob Prasch accurately reported.
3. The 1962 Crimen Solicitationes instruction was indeed reissued as was reported in 2005 with the memo implimenting it signed by Ratzinger (as Jacob Prasch correctly asserts) who is now pope but then Prefect of The Congregation For The Doctrine of The Faith (in former times known as ‘Inquisitor General’). It reads: ” Grave Crimes such as sexual abuse of children will be handled by his office (the congregation) with any tribunals a Secret Pontifical proceeding”.
4. The Daniel Shea litigation claimed (supported by various academic legal opinions and Latin grammar and syntax lingual experts) that the document carried two aspects ; the sacrimental and the general.
5. So afraid was the Vatican of this ‘smoking gun’ that contrary to your own demonstrably abject assertions that it had nothing to do with protecting pedophile clergy and only applied sacrimentally, it was the Vatican who by diplomatic means petitioned the State Department to have the matter squashed, again further confirming the accuracy of Jacob Prasch’s statement. Indeed, the pope’s own admission that the crises was handled wrongly by the Roman Catholic church supports Jacob Prasch’s conclusions, and very plainly mitigates against your own.
You have distorted the facts, spoken in ignorance of the protocals of the law where you misrepresent yourself as having an expertise you seemingly either do not, (or else have not researched the subject carefully if you do) , and as is typical in matters of religious hypocrisy, resorted to the ad hominem approach in a feeble attempt to circumlocute the shameful reality. For the record, Moriel would not define itself as “Protestant”, but merely as biblical and Christian. Indeed, many of us are former Catholics who upon reading the scriptures, by God’s goodness, came to a saving biblical faith in Jesus Christ rejecting the hocus pocus of sacrimental superstition and the sexual perversion among your clergy.
Your own tone and insulting demeanor warrants a response less gracious than we would prefer. It would appear that your arrogance and ignorance are eclipsed only by your apparent dishonesty. But frankly, that is precisely what is to be expected. If nothing else you are indeed par for your course. Like your corrupt pontif, you ludicrously pontificate a badly orchestrated litany of convoluted babel and expect the world to believe you; but those days are long over. The efforts of a crooked religion to whitewash its disgusting grand scale malevolence against defenseless children is futile. Just as it says in your own Latin Vulgate: “Vanitas Vanitatem, Omnia Vanitas”.
Get Well Soon. For your own sake we sincerely hope that with a genuine repentence you will abandon your pedophilia plagued Roman Catholicism and convert to Christianity before it is too late. Your silly Novenas, necromancy prayers to the dead, icons , rosaries, and liturgical ‘Mea Maxima Culpas”, (let alone child molesting sex pervert priests) won’t and can’t save you; only Jesus Christ can. Salvation is only through Him alone , not a corrupt institution with a corrupt leader and thousands of sex criminals in its clergy. Do yourself a big favor – put down the catechism and papal encyclicals and pick up a bible before you spend all of eternity with no hope wishing you had. The real Jesus of the scriptures (not to be confused with that ridiculous plastic idol forbidden by the second of the 10 commandments that you keep on your dashboard to help you find a parking space or whatever) said: ‘Permit The Little Children To Come Unto Me”; He did not say to Rape Them.
Pax Vobiscum,
(The Ex Catholics At Moriel Who Now By God’s Grace Most Thankfully Became Christians)
[...] recently wrote a post in which I characterised Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries as unreliable. This caused a member of Moriel Ministries to respond in the post’s comment [...]
The attack on Jacob Prasch is typical of those devoid of integrity and honesty. The issue ultimately is the Catholic Cult masquerading as Christianity. Anyone who would try and assasinate or discredit a true Bible teacher in order to protect a proven currupt, paedophile “priesthood” must, by association, themselves be guilty.
Thanks for your comment Mark.
I don’t consider Prasch to be a “true Bible teacher.” Nor would even a tiny fraction of reputable biblical scholars. It’s only those that are too ignorant, or too unwilling, to see through his rhetoric who would come to that conclusion.
To deem the entire Catholic priesthood as “paedophile,” as you have done, is to use a stupid, bigoted stereotype. There are good priests and bad priests, but you simply focus on the bad ones and then generalise to the entire group. It’s the same thing that racists and anti-Semites do – they simply find those that are ‘bad’ in each group and ignore those that are good.
I note that you don’t point out why my “attack” is “devoid of integrity and honesty.” If it’s so easy to prove me wrong, then why write a nasty reply, then imply some sort of guilt by association, and leave it at that?
And why didn’t Moriel Ministries link to my original article and my response? It’s almost as though they don’t want people to hear both sides of the argument. I’ve hyper-linked to their website, and given lengthy quotes of their material before responding to it, but they didn’t even bother to link to the article that they were criticising.
We praise the Lord for Jacob Prash voice, and have leared much truth.
Thanks for the comment.
I don’t know which ‘Lord’ you worship, but he’s obviously not concerned with the truth.
I think that if you were all truly christian and following Jesus as you all say, you would stop arguing like this and just get down on your knees and pray. This is exactly what Jesus does not want. Disunity, you are not doing tha faith any favours. In the end days there will be false prophets and sheep in wolves clothing will try and deceive, as I said get down on your knees and pray that you are not deceived.
I myself read a lot of Moriel stuff, but I want to say one thing to Tysen or Woodlock, whoever it is that said we followers of Moriel Ministries are not intelligent enough, that is definitely wrong. You have made a broad statement like that that only shows how narrow minded you might be yourself. And anyhow as I said before get down on your knees and start asking Jesus, through the Holy Spirit to guide you into all the truth, only He can. These are difficul times for all of us.
First and foremost our love for each other must reign, Jesus said they will recognise that we are truly His disciples by the love that we have for each other.
“I think that if you were all truly christian and following Jesus as you all say…”
I never actually said that I was Christian. What I did do was look at a whole bunch of the claims being made by that ministry and drew the conclusion that they were mostly false. If you have no issue with a ministry that frequently makes false claims then there’s nothing more for us to discuss.
It’s a pity that people, whatever they claim to believe, are not taught to think logically. The lack of logic causes people to generalize and hold on to a paradigms that are not dictated by the facts but rather screens out the facts which go against the paradigms. It is true that not all Catholic priests are paedophiles and it is illogical to claim that they are. However, the Catholic Church has tried to cover up the sexual abuses by priests. I know that, having been educated by nuns and priests. Let’s face it, the Vatican has tried to cover up the Inquisition itself from the laity. I was taught nothing of that, or of the Borgias, during my childhood schooling, and neither was any other Catholic I knew.
Anyway, it is equally illogical to draw a conclusion that the claims of a ministry of any sort are mostly false without being able to explain why, especially when you take the high-handed attitude that those who disagree with you therefore have no issue with the ministry making false claims. It stands to reason that such a person would not see the claims which are not even identified as false, and has as much a right to see things that way as the person who sees false claims but gives no explanation of why they are false. Yianna makes an interesting point. However, Jesus only wanted unity among those who were truly His. The whole New Testament shows that it is better to be divided by truth than united in error–and history, theology and logic show us that the Catholic Church is full of error and always has been. For over three hundred years it tortured people to death who disagreed with them. Whatever Jacob Prasch teaches, I’m sure, from what I’ve read on his site, he does not teach that anyone should torture and kill those who disagree with him.
THE LORD SAID DON’T ARGUE OVER THESE THINGS. HAMASHIACH WILL SEPARATE THE SHEEP AND THE GOATS ON THE FINAL DAY. SO LET ALL THE DEAD DOGS LIE (MEANING LITERALLY LIE AND ALSO LET THEM LAY DEAD)AS THEY WILL FIND OUT WHO THEY REALLY ‘TOLD OFF’ COME JUDGEMENT DAY. I WON’T BE BACK TO THIS ‘BLOG’ AGAIN SO GOD’S SHALOM UNTIL HE COMES!
Mr.Tysen
On reading your comments about Jacob Prasch I think you are like a dandelion tossed by the wind and have no purpose and direction in life.
Pastor Prasch teaches truth and you should learn from it. We would pray that your you to get saved .
Ive been a Christian for over 20 years and have studied theology for nearly as long,i met Jacob in the mid 90,s when he was involved with a television ministry in Hawaii.I found him to be one of the most sound biblical theologians ive ever met,your critique of him is unproffesional and poorly done,your mom should never let you on the computer again.
Misra and Ivan, you’ve both subjectively concluded that I am wrong and Prasch is right. You offer no arguments to support you views, only your conclusions. If anything, you support my argument that the only people that would support this guy are biased and shallow thinkers.
And Ivan if you are going to call someone “unproffesional” then you might learn to spell the word.
Thank God that He preserved Jacob Prasch, and few other men who have balls to stand up fearlessly and point out who these wicked people are. These great men of God, Jacob Prasch is one, have given their lives to be in the frontline to point out who are the deceivers, false prophets, false church leaders, false churches, false Bibles are. At least Jacob Prasch doesn’t make people feel obligate on giving whatsoever they own so their salvation is secured, even worse, come to the small box the size of a PortaLoo to confess your sins to a yet, another pervert and a sinner.
For those of you who don’t understand or find Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministry unreliable, you need to get out of the deception you’re in, get right with God and hear His Word put out plainly by these great men.
Hello Ben
What I attempted to do with my post was to make a series of claims that were backed up by evidence. I referred to reputable media reports and was careful in every claim I made. You have responded by saying that you consider Prasch to be highly credible and while you have every right to believe such a thing I would have though it would have been more helpful to at least attempt to illustrate where I have got things wrong in my post. I also think that it’s unfortunate that you believe that every single Catholic priest is a “pervert” as I believe that everyone deserves to be judged on their own merit’s and not on some derogatory stereotype.
I welcome any interaction with those who are willing to point out where they believe I am wrong.
I look forward to that occurring in the future.
Romans 3;1, Psalms 147:19, Deut 29:29
Pastor JJP qualifies to be a true bible preacher.
I love to read and listen to his bible exposition.
My country, the Philippines has no bible teacher
like him who can teach the bible in its own merit.
My country is pre dominantlypentecostal/charismatc
where teachings have no more substance nor nutritional values. MONEY, MONEY,MONEY gospel is preached!!!
visitors like Benny Hinn, John Avanzini, Don Clowers are junks. They knew nothing about biblical lessons to enrich believers on the word
of God, instead this charlatan preachers have
enriched their pockets from their collections
during offering. Sad to think that the vast
majority of believers are victim. We are praying
that one day we could have true teacher like JJP
to mentor us for spiritual growth and maturity.
Prosperity gospel preachers have nothing to do for
one’s bible knowledge.
I don’t find him convincing at all. If you’re impressed by him that’s your right. I’m glad you didn’t attempt to insult me like his other fans.
Greatings Tysen,
How are you?:)
I am not writing to argue with you at all but rather that you may be saved and come to a knowledge and relationship with our loving yet holy God In Christ Jesus the saviour of those who believe and to this end i shall now proceed.:)
and i hope you are blessed by Christ in finding his truth and salvation to the glory of God.:)
Can I ask you a question Tysen?
What do you believe? and why?
And what if you where to die tonight?
where do you believe you would spend eternity?
Do you believe in an eternity?
If so what is it and if not why?
If you do however believe in a heaven and God
can you define accourding to the bible why you believe you would get into heaven and could you please provide the scripure of the bible that you believe to back up your response?
and by what merits would you get there?.
yousing the bible to quote the scripture you would base your view on ? thanks.
Have you given much thought to such things and if so what has become your conclusion friend?
I am not going to debate with you about Moriel, and i am not you critique or your judge but rather can you thoughtfully answer these following questions and thoughts :
what are our lives are they not a vapour are we not here one moment and then gone the next, would you agree?
Tysen Where are you going when you die and
What will be the sum totall of your life when it meets its end?
what will you do in the day you stand before your maker,?
who loved you so much he died to set you free, free from sin free from the bondage of the devil, and free only by the atoning blood of the Lord Jesus to spend eternity in heaven.
In that day what will be the purpose of your arguments on earth, this blog, the time you spent critiquing another mans efforts whether “you” believe them to be right or wrong?…….
what will you say to your maker who formed you in your mothers womb who fashioned you according to his design,who gave you the ability of logic the power to think form and create? for he made you in his image?
do you think you will be able to reason with the God of “ALL the Earth”?
and ask yourself what is the hindurance from my being able to except such love ,
that despite of our sins christ died for us he became sin for us he who new no sin!
Why do you believe he did Tysen?
Why did he suffer on the cross?
what is your personal belief?
can you please share the scriptures you wouls use to support such beliefs?
If the devil could and does go out and decieve the world and he aims to blind mens eyes from recieving the truth what would make you so sure he cannot do that with you and me if we live without Christ as our saviour, who said:
John 4:23-24
23 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Tysen what did Jesus mean by this that those who worship me will worship in spirit and truth?
What is the truth he is talking about?
Have you ever humbly got in prayer and ask the real Jesus to reveal himself to you?
In this day and age where there are many false prophets,decievers and those who are being decieved what shall shield your from becoming thier prey:
have you ever read in the bible:
Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
and also that:
In Proverbs 14:12 it says, There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
If Gods word clearly states that we can think we are in the right and yet be so wrong!
What makes you so sure you are right friend?
can i ask you friend to think on the above scripture, is it possible to know true knowledge apart from Christ? and a relationship with him?
Can you define your relationship with him ? and that not for the sake of posting a rebutle to me on this blog but for your own sake.
Did you know it is by the Holy spirit of God that one is lead into all truth ?
For the scripture says:
Jesus said,:
When he, the Spirit of truth. has come, he will guide you into all truth(John 16:13).
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. He is truth essentially in himself, and he is the one who leads the church into all truth. ie:(The Church is the body of believers not the building i must add)and ,It is those whom are christ that will be lead by the holy spirit into all truth.
If this is the case How can i ask Tysen friend can you have truth apart from the Spirit of truth?
that alone belongs to Christ and is put into those who follow Jesus…
and thus are the true christians, and if you are not his ie: a biblical Christian who has accepted Jesus as Your LOrd,Savior and master can you really Know truth about and accourding to God?
What can you say to these things?
not as though you have to give any answer or account to me friend ,but what answer would you give to God in relation to these things for we must give an account?:
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all stand before Christ to be judged. We will each receive whatever we deserve for the good or evil we have done in this earthly body.
would you tysen but for a moment put aside all futile arguments and look to Jesus for all things pertaining to this life,?
For he knows all things and is above all things and by his spirit and only His spirit can you be lead into all truth can you say you have part with him are you his and is he yours?
Dear friend if thiere be any heart still pumping in you it is not to late, God is a great God slow to anger and full of mercy, if you will only stop this , striving with others and look to him for rest and thus find peace for your soul ,
Dont waste your life on things that do not satisfy but look to Jesus and him alone for salvation please here me for i am not your critique or your judge but if you can but heed my final words Tysen:
LOOK,LOOK TO JESUS.
May God be gracious to you and draw you to himself.
Amen.
also please excusse all spelling and gamatical errors
not my strong point,
nevertheless may God richly bless you in finding Jesus.
It is a waste of time to argue with people who
are illiterate of God’s word. Just like their models
Benny Hinn, Mike Murdock, Oral Roberts, Rick Warren
and many more in ecumenical and pentecostal circles
who pretended to be a bible scholars but absolutely
an idiot in disguise. The above mentioned are the
real pictures of Isaiah 56:11.
A genuine believers of Jesus, love His physical
brethren. To be more exact,the oracles of God were
committed to them ( Romans 3:1).
I love JJP, Arnold Fructenbaum, Sam Nadler, and
many more who teach faithfully the entire counsel
of the word of God.
Well I have read the above postings and if this helps I have meet Jacob Prasch and anyone who knows him knows he only lifting himself up that others may decrease.
He is someone who has been rejected by those who have studied the Scripture and have a clear revelation that we should exalt the named Jesus and that we should decrease, but Jacob Prasch has not yet had this revelation and so therefore his only way of finding substance is to put others down there he may be lifted up.
There are many people who have joined Jacob Prasch in his quest to preach people who believe anything different than him should be crucified.
He has not had the revelation that Jesus died for everyone, and not just him. I feel for those above who believe they have received the truth from Jacob Prasch, but it has Pontius Pilate said “truth, what is true”… but man’s perception there is a world of difference between ‘a true’ and ‘the truth’.
The Bible is clear, Jesus is the truth but Jacob Prasch and the Pope both have a true.
Anyone reading this who is a believer pray for Jacob Prasch and the pope that they would find the truth that Jesus Is Lord. And remember the book of Corinthians teach please exist to show others how mature we are lol.
Jacob Prasch if you come after me, that’s ok, because it means you will be giving someone else break.
And remember Pharisees like yourself got mad at Jesus and eventually had a crucified and I know what gets up your nose when people like me remind you that Jesus said he did not condemn the woman caught in the act of adultery. Jesus is who is Immanuel which is translated “God with us.”.
It Jesus who forgives and in NO other name including Jacob Prasch or the Pope can salvation be found!
We have all sinned and fallen short even the apostle Paul pray to be delivered from doing things that he did wanted to do. Is Jacob Prasch without SIN he certainly acts like he is.
I close with this thought I once heard someone say “if you live in a green house don’t throw stones.
They say the Pope is infallible; it now appears that Jacob Prasch’s followers also think he Jacob Prasch is also infallible. And there was me believing no one was perfect
God bless you all and pray for me has Jacob Prasch comes after me, also I suppose ‘I will of fallen from grace’ that I would think let alone question the fallibility of Jacob Prasch.
Well at least I will be nice and warm in hell reminiscing with those who questioned God right hand man Jacob Prasch the Holy Spirit’s help.
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Wow, look for yourself and see what God has to say, what Jesus has to say. You will realize that because most of us don’t understand the original language of the Holy Scriptures, which isn’t the King James Version, it is very helpful to hear from a person who knows the language and is willing to share that understanding. We will understand some of the scriptures, but will also miss a lot. Maybe have a look at not just what Mr. Prasch has to say in the newsletter Alert, but in the clarity of the scriptures in his book The Dilemma of Laodicea, and the book, The Shadows of the Beast. Very good, a little repetitive, but makes excellent points with each repeat. I myself have had to look many times over my life, at my views of scripture, and re-examine what I believe, or have been trained to believe, and be honest with myself to find what the bible really says. I want to know the truth, not just what I think is truth, or have been told is truth. Study, be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker that need not be ashamed, rightly discerning the truth of His Word. If you are sincerely looking for truth, you will find it. God is Faithful to show you through His Holy Spirit and His Word. He has always been faithful to me through the years to lead me to a teacher to clear up things that I didn’t have the understanding of. That doesn’t let me off the hook, to not study for myself. Don’t take someones word, without studying for yourself.
I’m not actually a Christian so much of your advice is irrelevant.
If you’re interested in a scholarly analysis of Hebrew language texts, there are plenty of reputable scholars who will give you a more reliable analysis than, in my view, that of Prasch, who, also in my view, is not taken seriously by any experts in the field.
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servant of Jesus Christ,
Wow, well someone did respond with information countering your view and you picked on them for their tone. That is a classic pharisee move.
I think anger about children being molested with the molesters being protected is justified. The argument is foolish based on the fact that child abuse by priests does happen and the Vatican gets away with it. Child molesting is the issue, it’s happening and this guy is someone standing and taking all the stones you can throw.
From what I understand most bible expositors or teachers, pastors use theologies and what man has written over the centuries. Jacob Prasch and others go back to the Apostles doctrine and original languages. Understanding the scriptures the way the first century Jewish believer would understand them. This is why many theologians have disagreements and problems with his approach. They are viewing the scriptures through the eye piece of a theology instead of the eye piece of the word itself. Jesus rebuked the men on the road to Ameaus by saying “Oh you who are slow to believe everything written in the prophets.” Many believe what man says but we are to seek the truth and believe what God says. Following theologies will only get you so far, believing what is written in the Word of God will get you to heaven.
I really feel sorry for u Tysen! Jacob Prasch is only telling the truth…..
I heard JJP say that anyone who’s a Christian when they got divorced and remarried had to leave their current spouse, as it is an adulterous union and either remain alone or go back to their first spouse. He is, therefore, suggesting that a second divorce takes place and that the person should commit adultery again. Jesus did not condemn the adulterous woman nor did he tell her to go back to her first husband or leave the man she was currently in relationship with. She became a believer at this point but the bible does not say she left her current un-married situation. Jesus didn’t tell her too. He would have, if this had been a condition of her salvation. The Lord’s blood covers EVERY sin and JJP should be so glad of that truth. Nobody is saved…. until they commit a gross sin or live outside of the standards set by JJP…. they are ‘KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD…….’ 1 Pet 1:5. Read also 1 Cor 3:11-15 ‘…..BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED…’. The incredible believe of JJP on the issue of salvation must shake the faith of the Lord’s people and so he would have to be held accountable for those true born again Christians who are married again (maybe outside of the biblical permissions)living in constant fear. Yet, Christ gives us his spirit of peace. Does JJP not understand the difference in the security of salvation and the loss of rewards? I truly think he should take heed of other men in Christ and be still for a while and listen. Maybe listen to such Christians as Chuck Missler, Roger Price (now with the Lord), David Jeremiah and Dr Grady McMurtry amongst others. Blessings all. Kieren
Dude, or dudette, as you pointed out, you have to listen a little longer to the posts b4 you go our to disprove! I’m actually a biologist who would also have had good go at this guy. but listen first. Listen to the logic! And I’m originally an evolutionary dude. Dig fossils, and now I van explain it!